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I have had my car up over 145, and I've never had an "off" at the track, nor a spin, despite working the car hard enough to have flames shooting from the front brakes (and the resulting VERY high speed turn with no brakes). Whatever you want to attribute to my wing, you can. If you want to believe those silly little wings are going to help you on a roadcourse, then I'll let you have that little placebo. Thanks. So in the future maybe we can make separate posts that disagree, without you starting a big poop-fest in response to mine? I'll point out, only to illustrate the principle, that the Audi TT wings are very small, and they do indeed help the car a great deal. By the way, I never used the word "unstable". That's your word, not my word. I am only suggesting your car will have more oversteer as speed increases, relative to a car with a wing. My only point is that bringing up the aerodynamic characteristics of one car doesn't translate to another with a totally different shape. Indeed it does. The principle translates perfectly. There are different degrees of downforce involved, that's all. In the end, you are arguing that the downforce difference is negligible, I'm saying it is not. You have your track experience to speak for you. I have mine, plus the interviews with the engineers who built our cars, etc. So I guess we just disagree.
- John

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